First of all the anger towards the FAA is obvious as all of us are feeling that knife dug deep into our backs by the FAA and the greedy, controlling, knee jerk reaction by such an incompetent organization. If I let someone borrow my drone do I have to give them the Certificate of Registration? Does it remind you of other organizations that fly DRONES and actually do hurt and kill people? I dont need no stinkin registration number!!! The FAA agreed (Memorandum of Understanding) to respect model aircraft hobbyists, and then sticks it to them at every turn. Although we have no right to fly,this registration should not be considered anything more than a tax on a hobby. The FAA cant juggle their current array of plates! Plan. The Special Rule for Model Aircraft has carve-outs for AMA members and members of similar organizations. Ama is supporting this? If AMA members do not register, then AMA position becomes weaker and the Feds could use a heavier hand. If you are truly someone who can no longer accept being bullied and literally enslaved by the actions of various branches of a malfunctioning puppet government, then dont expect any association who is complying with their actions to act on your behalf!!! TFRs are Temporary Flight Restrictions declaring no fly in certain regions of the airspace. Will RC clubs have a responsibility for enforcing the FAA registration and deny flying access for anyone not properly displaying the FAA number on their airplanes? Our aircraft have become the new assault rifles in the governments and medias head. We strongly advise you to avoid registering your model aircraft anywhere other than the official FAA website. Just wait until the Coast Gaurd gets in on this. It has a final approch of 200 ft agl 1/4 mile from the rc park! If I only fly it indoors, do I have to register it? (if I have to go to home owners first Why do I need AMA), HOLD THE BITCH SESSION THE AMA HAS MADE A SUGGESTION NOT TO REGISTER . Theyll continue to do anything they want and the compliant folks will continue to be herded into the sheep corral for processing. The second we told them what we wanted protected was the second they added it to the list of things to take away. Why not do a little work and prosecute those who are making trouble instead of doing an blanket sweep making everyone pay for their criminal acts. Does That make any sense? I for one will seriously reconsider renewing my AMA membership. No, the FAA does not regulate indoor UAS use. I see no benefit in registering myself or my planes with the FAA nor do I see any benefit in resolving any problems caused by irresponsible flyers. I live 4.7 miles from Logan in Cambridge, so by Federal Standards I am not supposed to fly at my home location. Who is going to protect your interest then when all the legal ramifications come, obviously not A.M.A. The AMA is the consummate marathoner. At least I dont have to license my trains (yet.). Sorry to the DRONE Device people, I dont consider them aircraft at all. No, that is not the case. And unless they capture drone serial numbers at the point of purchase, this is ALL wasted taxpayer money! (2) flown within visual line of sight of the person operating the aircraft; and You could look at it like the government is taking our hobby seriously and broader safety rules might actually preserve what we love to do. Just for FAA administration and overseeing this office says it expects to be spending almost $50 MILLION to start it up and over $300 MILLION once under wayregulating how we play with our TOYS. Teachers will want to utilize the STEM and STE(A)M principles inherent in model aviation within their classrooms. If you dont like whats going on, pay more attention to how you vote. The AMA (among others) has been trying to bring sanity to this whole insane process and sometimes you just cant fix stupid. In addition to this issue, there are many other rights we have protected recently. After reading the FAA rules defining a sUAS as well as their posted Q&As, its clear that theyve adopted a very general definition for a sUAS. Call us at 1-800-435-9262, or email membership@modelaircraft.org and we'll help you answer any questions you might have. Hear Hear! Dont be sheep, its only $1.67 people. The FAA has a record of making up crap just to make it seem like they were doing their job. This issue should have been settled with the Special Rule for Model Aircraft that CONGRESS passed into law. If you were already registered with the FAA as of 12/12/2017 and never requested to have the registration reversed, your registration was automatically extended through December of 2020. The cost is the same and if the FAA has your AMA number then its still in the same scary database. I would imagine that framers when like to use drone photo re-con to inspect their crops. Thay can be packed with enough explosives to do serious damage. The government just wants to make sure that all the drug runners will have numbers posted on their aircraft so they can find them and put them all in jail. I never imagined seeing the day when anyone owning a 1/2 pound toy airplane would have to register with the federal government!! Thats not overreaching at all and thank you for stupidly putting knowledgeable responsible low impact foam plane pilots in the same danger pool than I just bought this 3kg hexacopter full of metal and carbon fiber blades that slice fingers, lets just go fly it around the neighbourhood, people. (Read the fine print.) What do we get for our AMA dues? Just saying, ya.. like tossing you in jail for flying a hand launch glider.. GET REAL!!! I see youve already embellished the definition of a UAS by adding such as a transmitter to it when the FAA site doesnt say that. You then cant own firearms. I will continue to pray for you and hope you will seek help! Do you think this is a little blown out of proportion? Ive heard we are unsure what the law really does for us, we are unsure what regulations will really apply to us, we are unsure of the definition of a drone versus SUAS, we are now unsure how to register, we are unsure of the repercussions of not registering and so on. 25 kilograms), including payloads such as on-board cameras, must be registered. As is always the case (in recent history with the government), instead of enforcing the laws that are already on the books they want to create new laws that only serve to place more burden on the citizens that attempt to do things correctly simply because there will still be no enforcement on the ones that either choose not to follow the laws or just flat dont know the laws exist. Therefore, we want to provide you with important information about the registration rule and how AMA members can comply with the new federal requirements: All aircraft that are flown using a ground control system, such as a transmitter, are required to participate. Im certain that within a short period of time the $5/3 yrs will be $10/yr and up as the czar in charge wants more men to chase drones. Only good thing might be them not wanting to ban something that has a revenue stream. And how does me paying a $5 fee for flying airplanes at my local club, stop the idiots from flying their drones dangerously ???????? Seems to me theyre just bowing down to the FAA! You are right about the illegal obtaining of the weapons, but the gun owners are a large part of the problem, lock yer car/truck if you must leave it in there. Instead we have the best way to streamline the registration process for AMA members going forward smoothing the way as were herded towards the ovens. Make no mistake, the power is in our hands at this point in time, dont hand it over to the FAA and federal government, we will never get it back. If this is true it tells me that the FAA had no intention of working with anyone at all and was dead set on doing things however they felt like. I am just waiting to see if AMA requires FAA registration in order to continue to be an AMA member. Im still ticked that the AMA club tradition falls under the FAA ruling. The situation that it includes tethered models which would include U-control models makes it so obviously beyond reason as to be self-defeating. 5161 E. Memorial Dr. Muncie IN 47302, Tel. Or a young child flying a lethal model aircraft around people. Are there plans for routine checkups to make sure that all 100+ pilots are properly registered with the FAA? Why isnt the AMA challenging this in court? I asked them all to go back and review FEDERAL LAW 112 95 section 336. The FAA has been trying to put their fingers on the model aviation industry for the last seven years, this drone thing just gave them the opportunity to How are they not recreational MODEL aircraft? whats next . Dwayne Woods Jr.'s Boomerang Spring was one of the many aircraft that flew frequently at Florida Jets. For me I happily paid my two years knowing this will be a long process. I hope you loose all your members. I am an occasional R/C airplane flyer. I joined the AMA for them to lobby on my behalf, not roll over and Take It. Its not us model guy being the problem. Senator Inhofe wrote the bill that exempts hobbyists from FAA regulation. Doing nada and blaming the AMA or buckling under saying its only $5 cheapens the rule of law. The FAA and DOT obviously do not have to obey the laws of the land. Thanks. But, just to write themselves a blank check: Model aircraft owners will be required to renew their registration every 3 years and pay a $5 fee. It wont stop anyone from doing anything. When are we going to turn our efforts into getting Congressional involvement in reining in the FAAs dictatorial edicts that run counter to Congresss intent in the Special Rule for Model Aircraft? I thought this hobby was going to be lots of fun, but now all I can see is trouble ahead. If everyone refuses to pay the AMA the will get off there duff and do something. Stop regurgitating the faa propaganda and tell us what you are going to do to stop this! This will happen to model flying if you roll over and accept the FCC decision. The FAA Modernization and Reform Act of 2012 provided a reasonable solution for recreational modelers. I hope anyone else that gets in a similar situation does the same. If someone was planning to do something illegal with a model aircraft, do you think they are going to put their registration number in it ?? i dont the ama for this ruling,just BUREAUCRATS AND POLITICIANS. so instead of paying $5 every 3 years we would pay the AMA fee yearly to have a number and still be poorly represented. Really hard. They now see an affordable weapons system, not a hobby. To put things into perspective, a 9 ounce kite qualifies as a tethered sUAS. What was the take rate for two year renewals? I think everyone should lighten up on the AMA. The EPA has been the proven fore runner for heavy handedness, no surprise to see the same methodology being employed by the FAA. I oppose legal action by us modelers for that reason; for now. It seams to me that the FAA trumps ( no pun) the ama , I may just register as a pilot with the FAA, no longer renew my AMA, and buy another multi rotor with my 55 bucks. The bottom line is just more government intrusion in our daily lives. Thats how these kind of situations happen. Not going to happen! http://www.faa.gov/uas/regulations_policies/media/FAA_UAS-PO_LEA_Guidance.pdf. NO REGISTRATION. END OF STORY AMA!!! I can only imagine that AMA put up a fight not to lump drones with model airplanes, but at the end, AMA is sanctioning drones and the financial benefits from all these thousands of drone users (and growing) joining AMA, could easily have put the cause of model airplane hobby secondary to drones. That should be enough to scare you to death. I would protect the registration number you get from the FAA a strongly as you protect your SSN. What will you do when they come to take your wife and children to a FEMA camp for retraining America is the same country that whipped the Japs and the Germans in WW2. (b) Statutory Construction.Nothing in this section shall be construed to limit the authority of the Administrator to pursue enforcement action against persons operating model aircraft who endanger the safety of the national airspace system. Home - Know Before You Fly Featured Plans. SPECIAL RULE FOR MODEL AIRCRAFT. And to answer the question, Chris, not to my knowledge. Ive also put together foamies and fly them. I will still fly my control line planes when I want as I will not take part in contests any more and will not direct any more contests or events related to the AMA. You must mark all aircraft with your registration number. FREE, or $5 now but who knows 5 years down the line. I think the size of the chip to be able to handle the GPS locations of ALL airports, even grass strips that are sometimes used by RC clubs also, would place most small aircraft over the weight limit just for the receiver. TRUST None of them responded to my letter. All the rest are model aircraft. Getting in bed with the drones may of not been the brightest idea AMA. Use the taxpayer money to catch the non AMA members causing the problem. Apparently not upholding my hobby! Freedom??? So the real origin of this rule either came from the administration or other government agencies (such as DHS). You dont have one, because your ship is under .55 lbs. They are asking you to obtain a registration number. Lets all calm down, take a breath and let our representative organization (AMA) work through the red tape. AMA leadership are we in group 3 on an island in our desire to push back? They seem cool but we all know they are stupid/dangerous. Los Angeles just enacted a total ban of all FPV flight and all night flight, even indoors. You know it and I know it. Hopefully, ADS B-out equipment will become small enough and light enough, to be transferred between models in use. So now the FAA are going to pay 20 people at most to enforce this rule or only when something happens it will be enforced. Just cause I still own my planes does not mean I use them so how are they gonna prove it if they dont catch you red handed.Overall a stupid,unenforceable rule again by our government and lest I leave out being rear ended by the AMA thanks for nothing.I called AMA headquarters on three occasions when I received my monthly magazine complaining about them accepting advertising for FPV systems saying this would be the end result and suggesting that they distance themselves from the whole drone industry. An official statement from the AMA requesting members to write to their Congressional Representatives regarding this rule would provide some much needed focus for this discussion, not to mention that it might produce positive results. This is a FAA MY TERRITORY GIVE ME MORE MONEY ISSUE PERIOD. Our constitution calls for LIMITED government. When the FAA refused to allow comments by the AMA, then AMA shouldve told them they have no choice in the matter. I will continue my AMA membership for now, but if the AMA is not successful in challenging this, then I will not be renewing my AMA membership, and I will not be registering with the FAA. Does the FAA honestly believe that people will comply? The FAA has antiquated air traffic control and spending one minute on something like this which is of no value just shows how delusional they really are. It is unrealistic to believe that those intent on using drones illegally are going to register them, the net result is that only modelers and law abiding citizens will be in the database. If the FAA gets away with this, the requirements will get tougher and tougher and the fees will get higher in the future. it is the fact that the govt now feels they have the authority to monitor our hobby . I AM SICK AND TIRED OF BEING TAXED TO DEATH. wont be happy until all areas except sanctioned fields are off limits. So all you complainers stop complaining and send AMA LARGE CASH donations to sue the FAA. This is just another example of our government no longer protecting our liberties but wanting to categorize and regulate everything we do. How many Millions of Dollars did this brilliant idea cost? Either way Droners have ruined it for all of us. Limit of one (1) three-month Introductory membership term per new member. All will be sold and a new list free hobby found. If control-line aircraft are included does this mean that kids flying kites in the park are be subject to this as well if they weight more than the minimum and need to be registered? As the FAA looks to regulate the use of small unmanned aircraft systems (sUAS) and as Congress and state legislatures consider legislation with potential impact on the hobby, this site will keep you informed of the latest news, events and industry updates, and serves as an outlet to let your voice be heard by AMA and key officials nationwide. They wouldnt even have to hijack a plane to fly it into buildings, just send a drone after it to bring it down at certain GPS coordinates. 1936-2023 Academy of Model Aeronautics. If they want to come up with a streamlined process for those who want to use it, thats fine, but I DO NOT want to be added to the registry. Write your Congressman to express your sentiments. Interesting note: This has already been put in print. Just saying the AMA should refuse to promote this registration system to its sizable membership IMHO. Membership benefits All the benefits of Full membership (except voting privileges and low-cost commercial insurance). It used to be ok per AMA to fly above that if your site is away from an airport if 400 is max EVERYWHERE , then many aspects of rc are dead . I have invested my time, money, knowledge, blood, sweat, and tears into this hobby only to now be regulated and taxed. (they could get in pathway of comercial drones). The database would be useful in an investigation of incidents where a bad guy decided to use or is planning to use, one of our toy planes to deliver a biological or explosive package to a populated place. Plus dont forget club dues as well. Taken from the FAA FAQs At least this will appear to all of us as this is what they want us to believe .Num 2. It may well be the safety that is being considered by the FAA is homeland security and the registration of operators is a means to generate a database of community participants that qualify as good guys. WHEN A REPUBLICAN IS ELECTED>> THIS SHOULD BE A S>I>G developed SPECIAL ISSUE THAT IS BROUGHT BEFORE THE PRESIDENT SOMEHOW. on a government web site. Seems like THE fastest way to make the Terror watch list, besides hanging an ISIS flag in your front yard! Dale ArvinP-5196.75. AMA Update to FAA Registration - Model Airplane News This is a very intelligent observation. Ralph and his wife Martha at one time owned Flite Glass Models and he flew one of their P-51s in the Nats previously mentioned. One of his comments was that rc aircraft in general are low flying. They also informed me that nothing is final, and there are still things to sort until the 21st yet and they are continuing to work with the AMA on the final registration designation and changes. So, you increased the dues, then allowed yourselves too be neutered by the faa. I thought I was paying AMA dues for them to be my voice! Please be aware of unofficial registration websites that charge exorbitant fees or require separate registration fees for each recreational aircraft. hear. Cant fix a propensity for antisocial behavior with a registration number or any threat of consequence! I absolutely agree. I think it is time for us all to unite and stand up to the FAA with a protest of non compliance of this rule. does not suggest that permission be asked, or given, by ATC. I dont care for the new FAA rules either, but come Monday Ill fill out the stupid form, get my number and write it on all my aircraft beginning with FU####. Give me a break. They tried this back in the 1990s at some point or other. Once again, the oversight of a government organization, and the AMAs attempts at having a meaningful voice in this fight failing, has drained the fun out of it. Today the FAA announced plans for a model aircraft registration process to begin next week. It is the responsibility of all of us to stay informed, protect our freedom by taking that responsibility seriously, and vote in every election whether it is local or national. Bottom line, all this FAA, AMA, Law enforcement has taken the wind out of my sails a bit. The registration will serve to keep serious flyers on the hook but those others will continue to be a nuisance in an area that will be impossible to police. Our entire federal park system is off limits because of safety and noise. Thats terrorism and tyranny!!! The definitions in 14 CFR 1 make BLOS and FPV illegal, thus a new rule. The type of big boys toys that I want to fly, their fields wont allow. (gosh, are model airplane pilots supposed to have sectionals so that they know where all the airports are and be able to figure out how far they are from them? We could have avoided all of this. A drone is as much a UAV is as much a UAS is as much a remotely operated machine. so, an ultralight aircraft that can carry a person doesnt need to be registered, but my 1 lb foam park flyer does? If Im wrong, my apologies. This will make it impossible to sell any of your old RC flying craft. $25,000 Medical Coverage-AD&D Policy ($10,000 Death Benefit) $1,000 Fire, Theft, and Vandalism coverage. Why not 9oz. How will you feel when they say that we need to install mini drone transponders so they know where our little planes are. Maybe if papers , tv news stations and politicians are flooded with outrage we can beat this!!! Hows the sue them working out so far? Age 19-65 - $85. But shouldnt the FAA also want every person who owns a laser pen pointer to register as well? After reading all the comments to night There are a lot of you who have not been keeping up with the AMA reports to us. Is the Federal Government going to take me to court for failing to register myself as an RC pilot? However we do have a congressional law on our side. Additional adult family members - $45 each. Therefore the US government thinks that those of us that are registered AMA members should be regulated even more. Another tell-tail sign that this came from political pressure is that its inconsistent with other FARs such as Part 103 (ultra-lights) which doesnt require aircraft registration or a pilots license ! So much for having federal oversight. rules and emphasize our desire to be identified by our AMA number! Regulations like these waste several million dollars of taxpayer dollars and just like the gun laws DO NOT prevent bad guys from doing bad things. Politicians can correct any of societies problems just by taking taxpayers money and throwing it at the problem, from a distance preferably, so that they will not be identified with the problem. Seriously? When a sUAS crashes, the pilot faces almost zero chance of personal injury. Think about it. As this registration scheme runs contrary to Congresss intent in the Special Rule for Model Aircraft, the AMA has NO CHOICE but to file for injunction before the rule kicks in. Another overreach by our federal government. For AMA, please send the reply to my email as well. This seems to be in contradiction to previous legislation action. Im sorry to see the attacks on AMA and its leadership for this action by the FAA. How do we as members of the AMA educate, complain, and expose these FAA false claims to the proper authorities and get proper governance. So much fear that they become an insignificant blip on the screen. Perhaps, if these new requirements do reduce the careless drone flying that is fueling this issue, there will be an opportunity to make changes for those who are AMA members. SKYSPRINGER. FYI: I do follow all the current common-sense rules. I share concern with others about stolen/misused ID numbers. They will never register there drones and certainly will not have AMA insurance. Dont really see any need for my AMA membership anymore since it seems AMA is deciding to go along and help the FAA instead of fighting the ruling. The FAA has chosen to deliberately ignore the statutory exemption and exceed its regulatory jurisdiction. Anyone that has visited the NATS at Muncie during Free Flight week will notice a couple things, If you are competitive in FF POWER you are probably already breaching a 400 foot altitude limit on a 7 second engine run . This makes me seriously consider giving up the hobby that I have enjoyed for many years now. and what legal stand will it be? It would then follow that any control line plane with a remote throttle (third control line) or electric control line with speed control would also need to be registered. Club President, LSFV, Leader Member, CD and Part 2 out of three Generations of AMA member/modelers Just something governed by local clubs to issue tests and grant a license. I started modeling under the Plymouth modeling in the 1940s in the 50s and the 60s Ernie Hubblyr started building the spelling of his name may be wrong but that is not important he and other modelers put cameras in plains and had ground receivers to watch the flights they also had a flight control cockpit i have most of the planes so does AMA we the mo9delers have more rights to them than the FAA 0R THE FCC. So my question, what are they going to do with the couple million dollars a year (185,000 x 5 for AMA members alone)? AMA needs to fall back regroup and not abandon the members to abuse by color of authority, particularly when the authority is corrupted. TEA Taxed enough already. By politely letting Senator Inhofe know(he might not be aware of what the FAA has just proclaimed) that unelected bureaucrats led by a political hack.aka Michael Huerta(head of the FAA).has essentially flipped the bird at Senator Inhofe. The AMA membership can wield a big political stick in DC. Was the craft made with all FAA approved components and assembled according to a manufacturers type certificate? If anything, Congress does not like when their legislation is ignored. So a ten year-old gets an AR-15 for Christmas and has to do nothing? What I am angry about is how the FAA has lied to congress about hundreds of near collisions with commercial aircraft as a scare tactic to get them now interpret hobby models as aircraft so as to coincide with existing FAA regulations. A: Failure to register an aircraft may result in regulatory and criminal sanctions. Tolerance, Jim . The way its being implemented and promoted however is disturbing. We go through a luggage check and a personal scan when we board an airplane because we recognize there are people of evil intent trying to harm us. You mean the people who fly any RC aircraft that fail to review the rules set in place. You want accountability. Will my drone require an N-number or sticker? The AMA leadership must draw a line in the sand..to combat these feckless, unelected bureaucrats from destroying a multi-billion dollar industry..employing 1000s of people..and destroying the education of our youthand our efforts to provide food for those that have encountered hard times. Good timing at the end of year, great time to NOT pay for AMA dues. Im STILL willing to bet it was heavily influenced by the slick ads that take up half of Model Aviation. Hopefully, the act of registration will help people who wouldnt otherwise think at all, at least think about the potential of what they have purchased. What is the PLAN??? Models of what, exactly? Havent seen it mentioned anywhere in all the comments. I see a lot of references to Advisory Circular 91-57A. Ive decided that I WILL NOT REGISTER WITH THE FAA! The FAA may assess civil penalties up to $27,500. It is still unclear, but it looks like it would even cover control-line aircraft and their operators. If they can get away with not complying with the LAW, then I should be able to do the same thing without ANY repercussions. All it will accomplish is it will allow government to get larger and initiate just another way to meddle in the every day lives of law abiding citizens while creating the beginning of another source of revenue to support themselvesSome body else said it betterYou cant fix stupid!.
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